- would you consider a sticky thread for the UGP? I understand the whole child board issue. If we could get a sticky that would be great - if not, that's fine.Phruby
- the only thing that has held me back (besides being terribly busy at work) is that we are waiting on confirmation on the cost. If indeed it's free like we're hoping, then as soon as we can I think we need to get the space reserved. After we know cost - here's what I think the next steps are;
(1) agree on how we are doing the landscape - I am copying my post from Yakface on what I think needs to be done below
(2) finalize the actual size of the landscape
(3) start doing the fundraiser ideas/etc. for the supplies we need
Also I am willing to use Yakface to promote the project. I am also going to be promoting the JD chats - (which I think should be moved to Wednesday nights). As soon as we have a cost for space and a reservation made, there will be more news on the front page at Yakface about it.Everyone else
- as for some people not being interested - that's ok. Not everyone is going to want to be a part of it, and that's fine. It's a large project and it's not going to be a cakewalk.
As for the comment made in another thread that people will not be interested because it's a fan-fiction planet - that's fine. Obviously not everyone likes fan-fiction stuff, but when the project was first mentioned at JD, the overwhelming majority wanted to do a fan-fiction planet. That way we didn't have the restrictions of trying to "copy" a world in Star Warst - and God knows the scrutiny that would have taken place from people nit-picking because it might not look 100% like something from a film. Heck, if you have one detail on an Imperial badge incorrect, some people jump down your throat. So doing a fan-fiction planet to me is the best way to go about this. Plus, it allows for more freedom and shows even more creativity. So - yes, maybe we would have more traffic if it were an established planet we were working on, but I think doing a fan-fiction one was our best bet and am glad it was chosen.
Anyways - the major concern for me once we get a space reserved, is the landscape. Originally it was discussed that people would each make their own section of the landscape and send it. I didn't like the idea at the time, and the more I think about it, I like that idea even less.
So, last weekend I purchased a Woodland Scenics Ready Mat to see if it could work. It seemed to really work out well (pics below). I really hope we use the Ready Mats - if we go about it in a different manner, I think the compatability issues of so many modules may render it confusing to viewers and look very unorganized if we don't go with the Ready Mats.
If we have people send foamcore sections to piece together, I am willing to bet that it will not look right. Even if they end up being off by just 1/8 of an inch (and I think that's best case scenario) it'll look like a bunch of steps and that just vertically. Fit issues would definitely occur too.
Another big thing is that with whatever the standard size is, everyone is going to naturally center their structure or plants in the available area. So, when all of them are put together it would look odd if everything is evenly spaced out or centered by grid.
Color matching will be a problem too, everyone uses different paints and has different color preferences so there's probably going to be odd, distinct borders between everyone's section.
I think that if we use the Ready Mats, it will create a consistent landscape and on site we can add on the already made/shipped structures (like buildings, trees, etc) and it would be more adjustable and probably a lot more naturalistic. I am thinking what we will want to do is also send several ziplock backs full of different types of dirt/grassy materials, etc. to spread over certain areas on site. Spray paint can work very well too.
Please take this into consideration guys - in my opinion if we don't go with the Ready Mats, this entire project is going to flop.
Here is an example of what the Ready Mats can do -
Here is what I did for this - fortunately I did not need to "make" much stuff for it, I am thinking that as much as we can avoid making, but still making things affordable, it will help.
1.) - I bought a piece of subfloor (like a large sheet of foamcore, but is wood) from Home Depot, the smallest sheet I could get was about 3 feet x 4 feet. For what I wanted to do, I wanted to scale it down to 2 feet x 3 feet so it could fit on the shelf I put it on. The board was 1/4 of an inch thick. I went with that instead of the 1/8 inch to avoid warping.
2.) - Then, I measured out the frame I needed for it to be. Once it was measured out, I made lines with a pencil where I needed to cut. I cut it with a heavy duty utility knife. Took me about 10 minutes to get it cut.
3.) - After that, I had a roll of Woodland Scenics ready mat that I had purchased from a hobby store for $25.00. The ready mat measures 50 inches by 100 inches, so it's huge and you get a lot for your money. It is meant to resemble grass/tundra.
4.) - After cutting the ready mat to fit onto the board, I had some styrofoam glue spray - this is a spray that you get at hobby stores made to bond styrofoam together for craft projects - it worked PERFECT for sealing the mat onto the board. Took less than a minute to get it how I wanted it.
5.) - Once the mat was secured onto the board, I flipped it upside down and traced around it using the utility knife to cut off any excess mat that I did not want.
6.) - At that point, I used a bit of spray paint here and there just to add different color texture to the mat.
7.) - The mountain background is from Michael's - it's not cheap but it really looks cool. I have bought several of them in the past and spray painted this one to give it more of a hard stone appearance. My mountain technique is not the cheap way to make them at all, but they do look good I think.
8.) - The Gun Tower is something I purchased from my friend Owen D. at www.owenscustoms.com a while back, just added it for variety
9.) - The shrubs are just cheap lichen you can get at Michael's. It's cheap and easy to use - and can just be added on on-site.
10) - The grassy plant is from Michael's too - they have TONS of little plants like this for pretty cheap, and so does Hobby Lobby. Might be worth getting stuff like that for cheap instead of trying to make so many of our own plants.
11) - The trees are from Kmart - Christmas scene trees actually - they had snow on them but I just repainted them to get rid of the snow.
It may not appear to look much like grass in the pic, but in person it does look more like it, and with cheap shrubbery we can flesh out the diorama wilderness rather easily I think. Plus with just 2 ready mats - we can cover an area of about 8 feet x 16 feet VERY easily and it will allow for the ground terrain to have a consistent look to it. Plus if we have a large board, a team of 3-4 people on site can probably have the main base of the terrain put together in an hour of less. To me that makes so much more sense than people trying to make a ground in several locations, ship it, and try to piece it together. That would be a failed plan - I am 100% against people trying to make separate ground sections. There is no way we will be able to get it to look right - it will be such a headache and simply would not work.
Plus, there is a way to add in hills with the Ready Mats too, we would need a heat gun to do it but apparently it works well and is simple to do. I will look into this. But adding hills right now is the least of my concerns.
For terrain like caves, trees, etc - we can have individual people make there stuff and sent it. But to actually make the "ground" where different people make different sections... I think that would be a terrible mistake and to be honest I want no part of that. I would consider dropping out of the project if we try and move in that direction.
Here is an example of what we can do by making the actual structures/etc. that are added to it -
I can't stress enough my concern on the landscape of this project. It was discussed in the chat on Sunday at JD that it looks like the roll out mat (like used here) would be good because it covers such a large area - just two of them covers 8 feet x 16 feet. That's more than enough I think and that would only cost us $50.00! We can add in trees, moutains, shrubs, patches of grass, bushes, rocks, caves, etc. onto it afer it's been laid out.